Tom Grahm ([info]tradskinkwanzaa) wrote in [info]anarchists,
2005-12-23 14:37:00


Are you sick of the typical bullshit related Christmas and Chanukah? We think it's time celebrate a holiday that is more related to the working class. As traditional skinheads we feel that the modern and radical holiday which is Kwanzaa is an excellent representation of the working class soul.

We are not welcoming racist boneheads who give us a bad name with their blatant ignorance, nor are we welcoming SHARPS, whose political obsessions would unfortunately distract us from the true spirit that is Kwanzaa. We are APOLITICAL TRADS who are interested in getting together for the first Traditional Skinhead Kwanzaa ever.

We are sick of the same old bullshit. The constant misconceptions about what a TRAD is and the way that socety misrepresents us. We are working class individuals with an interest in having a Kwanzaa celebration. Also, let's get really fucking smashed!

When:
Sunday Jan 01, 2006
at 8:00 PM

Where:
360 Newbury
Boston, MA 02115
US

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[info]theoldanarchist

December 23 2005, 19:42:59 UTC 6 years ago


My understanding---and if I am wrong, please correct me, comrades, but don't bash me for being incorrect---is that Kwanzaa was established in the '60s by a radical African-American organization that was a major rival of the Black Panthers. Said organization (the name of which escapes me) was bankrolled by the CIA.

So, in my humble opinion, fuck Kwanzaa, right along with Christmas...

[info]tradskinkwanzaa

December 23 2005, 20:03:00 UTC 6 years ago

What are you doing in an anarchist community? You sound like a liberal. Kwanzaa is radical. You, on the other hand, are not.

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Anonymous

December 23 2005, 19:53:48 UTC 6 years ago

Kwanzaa's too commercialized. I celebrate Festivus. (which is today)

[info]tradskinkwanzaa

December 23 2005, 20:04:50 UTC 6 years ago

You sound like a hippie.

Why are all these liberals and hippies in an anarchist community?

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[info]anarchivist

December 23 2005, 20:01:09 UTC 6 years ago

If you're apolitical, then why are you posting this in [info]anarchists?

[info]tradskinkwanzaa

December 23 2005, 20:05:36 UTC 6 years ago

Apolitical = no government.

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[info]xmobiusx

December 23 2005, 20:21:23 UTC 6 years ago

Haha!!!!

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December 23 2005, 20:22:20 UTC 6 years ago

Im pretty freaked out right now.

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December 23 2005, 23:50:36 UTC 6 years ago

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Anonymous

December 23 2005, 20:47:28 UTC 6 years ago

I'M SICK OF THE TYPICAL BULLSHIT-RELATED CHAUNUKAH! ALL PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THESE DAYS IS THE DRADELS, IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING THAKFUL FOR JEHOVAH GIVING US MORE OIL ANYMORE!

[info]punkymunky21

December 23 2005, 21:21:20 UTC 6 years ago

WTF?

Kwanzaa was originated by Ron Karenga, the leader of the black nationalist United Slaves organization, in 1966 to celebrate African American heritage and the Seven Principles of Blackness (or Nguzo Saba). Though I support solidarity between groups, be those groups racial, work oriented, politically aligned, etc., it seems somewhat rude for a group of predominantly white kids (skinheads) to claim a holiday celebrating African America heritage as their own. Few white people can claim to have experienced the same level of oppression and exploitation as African Americans have throughout their history.

The Seven Principles of Blackness, according to Karenga, are:

1. Umoja (Unity)
2. Kujichagulia (Self-determination)
3. Ujima (Collective work and responsibility)
4. Ujamaa (Cooperative economics)
5. Nia (Purpose)
6. Kuumba (Creativity)
7. Imani (Faith)

Though I'd argue that these are good principles for almost anyone to go by, it seems that some of them, such as cooperative economics, do not fall into an apolitical (which does mean not taking interest in politics) stance.

You mention the typical bullshit related Christmas and Chanukah, however you don't elaborate on what you mean by this. Though I happen to think that the consumerism and religiosity related to these two holidays is ridiculous (as an anti-capitalist atheist), Kwanzaa does not overcome these. Gifts are given on all 7 days and it is religously oriented. For example, often libations (liquid offerings given to the gods, or the rituals in which these are offered) are poured, an African custom that has survived in the African-American community to this day.

Though you clearly oppose Xmas, many African Americans, the people that this holiday was created to represent, do choose to celebrate both and many others only celebrate Xmas. If you want to talk about solidarity, you might start by not offending the people that the holiday you claim to care about was intended for.

The only valid point I see in what you've said here is that Kwanzaa does seem to have working class ethics behind it, such as Cooperative economics, Collective work and responsibility, and creativity. Beyond that, I think you're just kidding yourself, but hell, have fun.

[info]ex_faggotry950

December 23 2005, 21:26:33 UTC 6 years ago

Re: WTF?

What if we're against economics as well as politics?

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[info]whosplittheatom

December 23 2005, 22:00:29 UTC 6 years ago

ROFL

traddy skins celebrating Chanukah... well thank god for the internet and especially LJ, for providing me with a ceaseless sense of "wow, I thought I'd seen it all..."

coming next year: fat lesbian furry pot-smoking Odinists who want to celebrate the Saturnalia!

[info]bloochik

December 25 2005, 00:30:24 UTC 6 years ago

Re: ROFL

stop the fursecution! Leave the furrysexuals alone! >:O

[info]scamort

December 23 2005, 22:37:59 UTC 6 years ago

Everyone's political. you have political interests, I promise. no one is totally neutral about the world around them.

unless you're a robot, and I don't trust robots.

and, as echoed here, if you're apolitical, post this in some skinhead forum somewhere. oh, and welcome the SHARPs, they're pretty cool people who like to get pretty drunk.

[info]ex_faggotry950

December 23 2005, 22:45:38 UTC 6 years ago

I don't agree with that Marxian rhetoric. My desired revolution isn't political/economic. It's social. Nothing I do is political. It's all anti-political.

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[info]scamort

December 23 2005, 23:51:13 UTC 6 years ago

I'll trade some skins, sure. got any of them muskets we've been hearing about?

[info]toho

December 23 2005, 23:41:06 UTC 6 years ago

Let me add to this clusterfuck:



Who farted?

teehee!

[info]fantasmguitar

December 24 2005, 01:26:00 UTC 6 years ago

teehee indeed.

[info]xbornagainstx

December 23 2005, 23:56:38 UTC 6 years ago

what's a TRAD? and why?

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December 24 2005, 00:08:07 UTC 6 years ago

traditional

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[info]krustasfuck

December 24 2005, 01:51:09 UTC 6 years ago

skinhead is the most stupid subculture ever. american pride and oi oi oi proud to make minimum wage my whole life and be the lowest cog in the government machine oi oi oi.

[info]ex_faggotry950

December 24 2005, 02:13:37 UTC 6 years ago

that's workerism

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[info]anarchivist

December 24 2005, 02:54:59 UTC 6 years ago

Merry Christmas!

And A Happy New Year!

[info]locustinferno

December 24 2005, 07:10:51 UTC 6 years ago

To be perfectly blunt: What the fuck?

[info]tradskinkwanzaa

December 24 2005, 18:19:33 UTC 6 years ago

Why not?

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December 24 2005, 15:26:44 UTC 6 years ago

virgin megastore? what would garry bushel think?

[info]tradskinkwanzaa

December 24 2005, 18:25:01 UTC 6 years ago

You're not from Boston, are you?

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[info]coweatman

December 24 2005, 15:33:40 UTC 6 years ago

for what it's worth, i've known three anarchist skinheads in my time.
one of them was a raging (but somewhat loveable) asshole who got deported who had a bust of stalin in his room and personally did a whole lot to damage the local anarchist community by taking part in behaviors that caused rifts that took years to heal. the other one was friends with him but was a really nice guy, and didn't seem like he was as politically involved. the other anarchist skinhead i know is probably one of the most solid comrades (for lack of a better word) that i've known, ever, is super involved and does a ton of good work.

[info]delchi

December 24 2005, 22:10:00 UTC 6 years ago

It's all about Agnostica!

"Agnostica is the only truly secular winter celebration. It is a celebration for the scientist in all of us, celebrating not some contrived story written thousands of years ago and translated seventeen times over until the Hebrew word for "rope" gets turned into "camel," and then inexplicably the whole deal is replaced by consumer-frenzy dictated to us by a fat child-labor mogul in a fur-lined red suit, but rather of ourselves, the perfect self-defining nature of the universe, and of being proud of the human intellect.
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http://www.agnostica.com/

Anonymous

December 25 2005, 03:19:57 UTC 6 years ago

That's pretty geigh.

[info]bloochik

December 25 2005, 00:39:58 UTC 6 years ago

hmm, is "getting really fucking smashed" really an integral part of the celebration of Kwanzaa?

Anonymous

December 25 2005, 03:27:58 UTC 6 years ago

Sure, why not.
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